Apartment noise and how to be a good neighbour

For many people moving to Copenhagen it may be the first time living in an apartment building or at least for a long while. Generally people in the UK live in houses and for many a family home will be significantly larger than a family apartment in a European capital city, especially in Copenhagen. Most apartments in the central parts of the city will be at least a hundred years old and with that comes the inevitability of noise.IMG_0227

A standard turn of the century apartments buildings will have eight apartments, two on each floor coming off a main stairway with a second back staircase to the yard. This narrow stairway was generally used by domestic staff in more affluent apartments and as an access to the outside privy (which thank goodness in most buildings is a thing of the past).

In the first building we lived in I can honestly say that we heard very little noise from our neighbours. Sometimes the little children downstairs crying in the morning, the lady upstairs doing her exercise DVD (infrequently) and some noise on the stairs. As our bathrooms were separated by a wall there was the feeling that a personal boundary was being crossed if your neighbour was using their bathroom at the same time. Once we had our son I was conscious that we were contributing a little more, less social, noise but our neighbours, then as now, were very relaxed about what they termed ‘family noise’. As one said children are not noisy forever plus children are generally in bed early and the noise ceases but if you are the kind of people who have loud obnoxious parties that is a lifestyle choice you are unlikely to grow out of.DSC00971

In the second apartment we were equally lucky to have quiet people around us but now in our third Copenhagen apartment (and now one we have a commitment to as we own it) we are much less lucky.

I believe that there is an element of managing your expectations about how much noise you will hear from your neighbours – moderate footfall, children scampering around, the rumble of a TV or music, children’s voices and playing sounds, the occasional raised voices, water noises and the occasional intimate acts would be norm but all should be generally bearable. You will be undoubtedly be contributing a similar level of noise yourself.  One friend had her downstairs neighbour complain in the daytime that he could hear her two-year old running about – to me that is the downside of apartment living that you need to get on with and some slack needs to be given, after all she won’t be two forever.

The place we now live in, from our floor downwards, has normal considerate neighbours – families with children of varying ages, an old man, a middle-aged lady and some slightly geeky male Master’s students. But hit the top floors and it is more like a frat house at time. Loud parties well after the agreed house rules times and when asked to turn down the music at 5am our immediate neighbours upstairs felt they could negotiate how loud it could be! One neighbour had a habit of coming home at 6am and blasting music with his door open for two hours on a Sunday morning and even worse on Christmas morning.

It is a hard thing to tackle. There are house rules that the owners of the apartments see  when buying the property but there are no real sanctions if these rules are broken. In general in Denmark these rules are not excessive – simply don’t make noise after a reasonable hour. In Berlin our house rules were very strict and a little excessive such as no noise of power tools and machines on a Sunday so not playing music when the rest of the world is sleeping seems pretty fair to me.

You have to assume the rules are passed onto tenants. If tenants are causing the problems you can contact the owners if you can and complain and it is up to them to deal with it. Sometimes just pointing out the noise is unacceptable can work as people may genuinely not realise how loud they are. Although the guy with the early morning parties denied it was him when I challenged him about it, they seem to have stopped. Perhaps my veiled threat to call the police next time worked.

Being a good neighbour. To me there are obvious things you can do to remain a good neighbour – if you have wooden floors don’t wear heavy shoes indoors; don’t run your washing machine late in the evening especially if you use a fast cycle; don’t put your speakers on the floor as the sound reverberates; move your bed away from the wall so any bedroom activities is not too intrusive to others; try to instill into kids that too much stamping about it not good but remember they are still just kids; if you think your TV or music seem loud in your room, it probably can be heard by your neighbours; if you plan to have a party let your neighbours know in plenty of time, let then know when you plan to finish and turn down the volume at the time specified in your house rules. None of these things will really impact on your daily life but make you a much better neighbour.

In a culture where people expect to be told if their actions are causing a problem but there is a trust that people will live in a considerate way to others, tackling anti social noise is a troubling issue. Throw into that the slight influence of Jante Law it becomes even more problematic. I have a whole arsenal of less than pleasant things I can do to get back at my noisy neighbours (all of which my husband has banned me from doing so we retain the higher ground) but in the meantime I can simply ask for music to be switched off or turned down and hope that our neighbours will do the right thing.

I would love to hear from others how you have tackled this issue.

 

5 thoughts on “Apartment noise and how to be a good neighbour

  1. Great post! I think you handle it very well. I had my fair share of crazy neighbours and my conclusion was just to be straightforward. If noise bothers me I will go politely and explain and if the person is reasonable they will understand and it’s not an issue but I also had people who act as if they are alone in the universe and don’t listen to you if you just come once and ask nicely to lower the volume. Well what usually works is calling the police. Sure if it’s a party once in a while probably being patient is enough but if your neighbour is being aways loud and rude I don’t see what else to do…

  2. I’ve tried and tried again to get over our upstairs neighbors playing loud music and stomping very loudly (I’m pretty sure they are wearing some sort of hard-bottomed shoes, both of them) at all hours of the day.

    Going to them to ask them to turn down the music when they have parties worked a couple of times, but inevitably some guest at the party will turn up the music again, ruining my night. Some of the times they even act all snobbish about it, telling me that they bought this apartment and can do what they want. Yes, but I bought my apartment underneath you too, and would like to be able to hear my own thoughts… sigh.

    I feel like I have no right to ask them to wear different footwear indoors, or suggest to them to get some carpeting on their floors. If nothing else, just because I know they will think I’m even more insane than they already do (oh, of course I’m insane, me being annoyed at a bit of loud noise at 4AM), and not follow any of my requests.

    All the while, I am going insane with the noise, waiting for the day that I have a well paying and interesting job that is NOT in Copenhagen, so I’ll be able to afford to live somewhere without any shared walls…

  3. We struggle with the noise issue quite a bit. We had our own house for a decade before we moved to DK, so we were more used to a fairly manageable level of noise. Now, being in the ground floor of a small block of flats, things are not so great. The upstairs neighbour has two very young kids who stomp loudly and run around for long periods, apparently without bothering their Mother. There’s a young guy further down who owns a car and a truck, both with huge noisy engines, which he loves to rev up in the car park, which is right outside our little garden. Despite using earplugs every night, we both get woken up quite frequently by car or neighbour noise. At least parties are quite rare here, one small blessing.. I dream of having a nice little detached place of our own again. One day..

    I’m intrigued to know what your ‘arsenal of less than pleasant things’ consists of? It might give me some ideas for revenge.. 😉

  4. We used to live in a house with a decent garden, in a quiet area in our home country.
    When we came here we stayed in a rented flat, a building from 1900 and the neighbours were very quiet, no parties, no children upstairs or downstairs. As I have a very sensitive sleep, I was awake every 5 am when the upstairs neighbour was going to the toilet, his steps on the floor were so hard that the building vibrated. And couldn’t go back to sleep which was a nightmare.
    And then we moved, buying an apartment at the ground floor, very quiet area, away from the traffic. I was very happy and hoping to weak up at 6.30. We bought the apartment in a rush, there were other couples interested so we missed the fact that right under our bedroom it is the garbage room. We find that out after signing the papers. And then hell break loose.
    People are using the garbage room whenever they feel like, at 12 am, 1am, 4 am, 5 am etc. The noise level is so high ( both when slaming the trash can and the door) that even a deaf individual could it. I tried repetedly to solve the issue with the association by putting a note on the door with a kindly request addressed to neighbours to use the facility outside sleeping hours, no success, they refuse to put such a note as people might leave the garbage outside the room and it will be an attraction for rats. That’s the answet I got from the lawyer our association uses to solve issues.
    On top of everything, walls are extremely thin and I hear every little noise from upstairs and next door neighbours. Such as loud sex which is rareb( every 2 months) but when it happen it’s at 2 am and it last 30 minutes-1 hour while she literaly screams.
    Then the parties at 3 am from the apartment next to us, the wake-up hour of the one upstairs is very irregular but it is from 5 to 6.30. I can hear the drawers being opened and then the stomping with some very noisy indoor shoes.
    Next to the garbage room, there is another door for the bicycle cellar and people never consider the fact that they might distrurb the sleep of those living upstairs as they simply slam the entrance door at 6 am, 12 am etc.
    It’s a nightmare to be honest, I bought ear plugs but they are not very efficient, since there is no solution to all these issues, we have to sell it.

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